Nov 20

Here’s another nugget I found in the hacked University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit files (E-mail #1225026120). It’s an e-mail from climate scientist Mick Kelly to Phil Jones apparently discussing truncating the cold end of a graph for a global warming presentation:

From: Mick Kelly <>

To: <>

Subject: RE: Global temperature

Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:02:00 +1300

Yeah, it wasn’t so much 1998 and all that that I was concerned about, used

to dealing with that, but the possibility that we might be going through a

longer – 10 year – period of relatively stable temperatures beyond what you

might expect from La Nina etc.

Speculation, but if I see this as a possibility then others might also.

Anyway, I’ll maybe cut the last few points off the filtered curve before I

give the talk again as that’s trending down as a result of the end effects

and the recent cold-ish years.

Enjoy Iceland and pass on my best wishes to Astrid.


> —–Original Message—–

> From: []

> Sent: 24 October 2008 20:39

> To: Mick Kelly

> Subject: Re: Global temperature



>  Mick,

>   They have noticed for years – mostly wrt

>  the warm year of 1998. The recent coolish years

>  down to La Nina. When I get this question I

>  have 1991-2000 and 2001-2007/8 averages to hand.

>  Last time I did this they were about 0.2 different,

>  which is what you’d expect.

>    In Iceland at a meeting that Astrid invited me to.

>  Cold with snow on the ground, but things cheap as the

>  currency has gone down 30-40% wrt even the pound.



>  Cheers

>  Phil


> > Hi Phil

> >

> > Just updated my global temperature trend graphic for a

> public talk and

> > noted

> > that the level has really been quite stable since 2000 or

> so and 2008

> > doesn’t look too hot.

> >

> > Anticipating the sceptics latching on to this soon, if they

> haven’t done

> > already, has anyone had a good look at the large-scale circulation

> > anomalies

> > over this period? I haven’t noticed anything consistent

> coming up in the

> > annual climate reviews but then I wasn’t really looking.

> >

> > Be awkward if we went through a early 1940s type swing!

> >

> > Hope all’s well with you

> >

> > Mick

> >

> > ____________________________________________

> >

> > Mick Kelly

> > PO Box 4260                 Kamo

> > Whangarei 0141              New Zealand

> > email:

> > web:

> > ____________________________________________

> >

> >



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11 Responses to “From the hacked CRU files: Climate scientist changes graphs to eliminate cooling? ‘I’ll maybe cut the last few points off the filtered curve before I give the talk again as that’s trending down as a result of the end effects and the recent cold-ish years.’”

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  2. NikFromNYC says:

    Here is a graphic explaining yet another data chop for a seminar:


  3. Simpleton says:

    Except that this represents….nothing!

    Of note is the fact that the cooler years since 1998 have been accounted for, and that NO ONE is shown to be conspiring with a global scope.


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  5. Otter says:

    Except that this represents…….. fudged data!

    Of note is the fact that the cooler years since 1998 have been proven, and that SO FAR no one is shown to be conspiring with a global scope. That will require a lot of investigation by the police forces of a great many nations involved, and the UN to boot.


  6. Sam the Skeptic says:

    For a naive (!) non-scientist like me the question has to be why “a (sic) early 1940s type swing” would “be awkward”. If that’s what the climate is doing then that’s what the climate is doing. Unless Kelly and Jones have something beyond a scientific motive in their climate research then surely the proper reaction — and the reaction that the rest of us would hope for, seeing as how it’s our future we’re talking about here — would be “Oh f***! Back to the drawing board, guys!”
    I’ve said elsewhere and I keep being proved right; this is nothing to do with climate and still less to do with CO2. It’s environmental politics pure and simple, with all that implies.


  7. Tom Lynch says:

    Prosecute the bastards.


  8. Tom Lynch says:

    As a scientist, mathematician, and engineer, there is nothing I find more repugnant than dishonesty in reporting numbers. Just think these people demanded grants and money that could have gone to honest scientists, and these honest scientists would have produced works that would be valuable to human kind.

    These people have done an incredible damage to our understanding of global warming also. There may be real mechanisms at play that are important, but we will never know now until we see them manifest as the political damage caused by dishonest science will be tremendous.

    But don’t think it stops here. 60% of all science going on today is dishonest. The channels of funding are controlled by nods and winks not by results. It is as Malthus described – a leviathan. In any area of science where the numbers are scrutinized we find dishonesty. Science is our light to the true nature of things and we need in order to drive good policy, but suddenly despite acknowledging the role of science and spending large amounts of money we find ourselves in the dark as the victims of a great science Ponzi scheme.

    Make examples of dishonest scientists so that a clear message will be sent to the other stewards of our hard earned money that we gave as tax dollars for creating a better world. (As I put more succinctly above.)

    Tom Lynch


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  10. brian lemon says:

    Just watching the CBC – the “meteorologist” likely 2 years out of a 2 year college program says “We are working hard to prove that all the catastrophic weather activity – floods in Britain, snow in China – are due to Global Warming . . .

    My ancestors little town of Porth Llwyd was demolished by a flood in 1860.
    Guess it was the AGW caused by all them cars back in the 1860s.


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